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So I've heard and read a lot of upset people responding to Kate O'Beirne's somewhat less than enlightened comment that kids who need help buying school lunches are victims of child abuse.
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my question is what poor excuse for a parent can’t rustle up a bowl of cereal and a banana?
In other words Lady Kate "Marie Antoinette" O'beirne just said, "Let them eat cake."
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I mean, where do I start?
And where do you get off? Kate O'Bernie asks a valid STATISTICAL question, to which you respond in the famous liberal manner of a single example. Heart-wrenching as it maybe, it does not even begin to address the real question - does the school lunch program is needed in its present size and form, or is it being used to cover-up a bigger issue, and/or a new entitlement to teach kids and their parents that the government is good, and the food comes from the government. Because based on the author's view - the program worked for her.
in a world where the only outstretched hand was the government’s?
Bull@!$%#. Most organization that outstretch their hands a non-government, and they are far more effective than the government. I do not believe for an instance that in the situation described the local church did not get involved, United Way or Salvation army did not get involved. And they sport far less bureaucracy than our beloved feds.
Do I advocate against the school lunch program - hell no. We do need to help the kids to grow up, and become productive members of society. Having said I would like to know if the lunch program in its present is not being used for other purposes. I'd like to have an open discussion about that, without some liberal screaming "bloody murder" at the mere mention that a government program bears deeper scrutiny.
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I wouldnt call half of the offerings from the school lunch program "food". But that is another story.
Most people I knew took advantage of the breakfast program did so because they were working multiple jobs and didnt have the time to rustle up their kid a bowl of cereal or a banana because they were off to work.
What working parent who had to make it to their first job wouldnt take advantage of the school feeding and watching their kid for an extra hour in the morning?
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And where do you get off? Kate O'Bernie asks a valid STATISTICAL question, to which you respond in the famous liberal manner of a single example. Heart-wrenching as it maybe, it does not even begin to address the real question - does the school lunch program is needed in its present size and form, or is it being used to cover-up a bigger issue, and/or a new entitlement to teach kids and their parents that the government is good, and the food comes from the government. Because based on the author's view - the program worked for her.
So your therory is Kate wasn't being a heartless bitch and thoughtless moron she was being a conspiracy theorist seeing something sinister in people's desire to not see children starve.
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Kate wasn't being a heartless bitch and thoughtless moron she was being a conspiracy theorist seeing something sinister in people's desire to not see children starve
Her choice of words certainly tends to indicate the former, rather than the latter. None of which invalidates the point that I am making - no government program, no matter how sacred of a cow it appears, should be immune from examination.
Just like a stopped watch shows the correct time twice a day, a heartless bitch and thoughtless moron can ask a valid question.
I wouldnt call half of the offerings from the school lunch program "food".
Is "chewable substance suspected of containing traces of nutritional value" better?
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Her choice of words certainly tends to indicate the former, rather than the latter. None of which invalidates the point that I am making - no government program, no matter how sacred of a cow it appears, should be immune from examination.
Just like a stopped watch shows the correct time twice a day, a heartless bitch and thoughtless moron can ask a valid question.
You are trying to put lipstick on a pig.
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From the article:
And if we’re going to ask more of ourselves, my question is what poor excuse for a parent can’t rustle up a bowl of cereal and a banana? I just don’t get why millions of school children qualify for school breakfasts unless we have a major wide spread problem with child neglect.
One homeless person can answer that so I'll ask "Jesus, were your parents, Joseph and Mary, guilty of child neglect because they and you were homeless?
I am an agnostic who thinks some of the lessons in religion are pretty good and it is amazing how hard some people who pretend to believe in the bible are. Shocking really...
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9 out of 10 humans agree-- Rush Limbaugh is still a fat gross piece of @!$%# and Kate O'Beirne is a goddam heartless bitch. May she and the fat man both stew in their own lard.
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Miss_Diagnosed
I wouldnt call half of the offerings from the school lunch program "food". But that is another story.
I understand. I work in a school. And I've noticed the quality going down. I asked the cafeteria manager and her response was that the prices for the food rose more quickly than the money given to provide the food, as well as they get most but not all their food from the District which goes with the lowest bidder. There's actually a regulation saying they have to use the lowest bidder that fit basic nutritional demands. So with school pop going up, money going down, staying the same, or barely rising they have to feed more kids and so quality goes down. ::shrug:: One reason I am approving of the new school nutrition bill, it's not for more food b ut better food and after seeing what the kids eat, i couldn't not be happy about that. The kids in my school however are lucky. It's a vocational center and we have a culinary arts course. They run a cafeteria and they buy better food. They have a seperate budget so they can buy healthier food and the food there is so much better than in the school caf.
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Most organization that outstretch their hands a non-government, and they are far more effective than the government.
Private Charitable Giving is frankly dwarfed by what the Government does.
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Now if your a big cheerleader for one party or the other, this is likely to make your head explode, but Kate and Alli are BOTH correct.
When Ms. Kate says:
You know, I mean if that’s how many parents are incapable of pulling together a bowl of cereal and a banana, then we have problems that are way bigger than… that problem can’t be solved with a school breakfast, because we have parents who are just criminally… ah… criminally negligent with respect to raising children.
She's right. There are millions of parents in America who are indeed criminally negligent, or very nearly so. Ask any teacher.
And if Ms. Allison could get over the emotional response of "throwing her laptop out the window" she could probably put together terrific evidence supporting what we must assume is her underlying point that there are millions of families on free/reduced lunch that are NOT criminally negligent. She's right too!
In either case, it is certainly not the fault of the children in these households that their parents either do not have enough money to provide for them or do have enough but do something else with it.
So Kate and Alli, we're going to keep this program, thank you. You can return to your corners and come out swinging at the bell.
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She's right. There are millions of parents in America who are indeed criminally negligent, or very nearly so. Ask any teacher.
I will never understand the need to defend the indefensible. Clearly Kate's point was that being poor should be a crime or she is just too stupid to realize that being poor means more than just waiting a year before buying a new car it means you may have to decide whic essentials are more essential. Those pundits had no greater point they are class warriors attacking the least powerful in our society.
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You are trying to put lipstick on a pig.
No, I am saying that when she requests the review of the program and the situation that underlies it - she is doing the right thing, and we should do it. As for the rest of your name-calling, it is childish. I can accuse you of the same thing, because right now you appear to be defending the "sacredness" of the cow. If there is a pig in this country - it is the federal government.
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I will never understand the need to defend the indefensible.
And I will never understand the need to attack the unassailable.
Clearly Kate's point was that being poor should be a crime or she is just too stupid to realize that being poor means more than just waiting a year before buying a new car it means you may have to decide whic essentials are more essential.
No. Clearly you want that to be her point because modern American liberalism requires a villain. It is not enough that she is ignorant, she must be evil as well.
Her point is basically that we have some poor excuses for parents out there...a point which is exceedingly difficult to refute.
However people always tell you more about themselves with the questions they ask than the answers they give, and what she tells you about herself with this particular question is that she has absolutely NO concept of what it is to be poor. Her remarks reveal her ignorance and insensitivity, nothing more.
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No. Clearly you want that to be her point because modern American liberalism requires a villain. It is not enough that she is ignorant, she must be evil as well.
No one needs a villian so many just jump at the chance at the role.
Her point is basically that we have some poor excuses for parents out there...a point which is exceedingly difficult to refute.
If that were the point she was making, clearly she was not.
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so many just jump at the chance at the role.
Well....ok...yeah, fair enough.
If that were the point she was making, clearly she was not.
Yes she is, but regardless of that you and I are in one of those sorta rare times when we agree on the fundamentals:
1. She's an idiot.
2. We're keeping the free lunch program.
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There are alot of atheists and agnostics on the vine, so please excuse the religious reference. The wheel of karma exists. As I age, I see that the wheel may be slow, but the cruel and heatless get theirs. Those of us adults that actually live and pay for things in the real world come to the conclusion that either this woman is an ignorant and out of touch..(.well I'll avoid calling her what she really is for decency sake, but here's a hint....it starts with c and ends with t) or is just baiting for PR purposes.
I don't know about your neighborhoods, but food prices have skyrocketed. I would rather the government spend money of feeding the kids of the poor, single parents, drug addicts, the incarcerated and give them a chance to live and get an education. How about we take care of American children for a change and let Israel, Iraq, Guatemala, etc., solve their own problems, for once. Hey, I'll feel better about that than another TARP or tax cut for the more "deserving" 2% of people that supposedly create jobs.
BTW, please clue the biotch in on nutrition. A sugar laden cereal and bananna will NOT hold a growing kid through the first three hours of school. I speak from experience. I'm grateful that I have the time and money to see to it that my kids get a hot and home cooked breakfast before they leave for school. Not everyone is as lucky to do so.
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Good One! Let's stop worrying about Haiti, Latin American, African or Asian pestholes. We American taxpayers can't afford to carry the thirdworlders on our backs any longer. We've collectively done far more than our fair share.
Do you have any idea how small our foreign aid budget is compared to what we spend on weapons?
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BTW, please clue the biotch in on nutrition.
Her and probably 90% of Americans... why is it still illegal to grow this stuff here?
Are we not as smart as Canada, or Iran???
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Hemp seed is a great source of omega-3 and omega-6 (essential fatty acids) and provides an ideal balance between the two. It is also a very good source of omega-9. These healthy fats are not stored in our bodies so it is important to consume sufficient amounts daily.
*Hemp Seed Nutrition (hulled hemp seeds)
- Calories/100 g 567
- Protein 30.6
- Carbohydrate 10.9
- Dietary fiber 6
- Fat 47.2
- Saturated fat 5.2
- Monounsaturated fat 5.8
- Oleic 18:1 (Omega-9) 5.8
- Polyunsaturated fat 36.2
- Linoleic 18:2 (Omega-6) 27.6
- Linolenic 18:3 (Omega-3) 8.7
- Linolenic 18:3 (Omega-6) 0.8
- Cholesterol 0 mg
- Vitamin A (B-Carotene) 4 IU
- Thiamine (Vit B1) 1 mg
- Riboflavin (Vit B2) 1 mg
- Vitamin C 1.0 mg
- Vitamin E 9 IU
- Sodium 9 mg
- Calcium 74 mg
- Iron 4.7 mg
Because of all these nutrients, the benefits of hemp seed are numerous.
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Ooooooo... I was with you up until...
let our government make the money on it.
Zadgooks mang, how bout let "We the People" make the money - won't the government still get more than their fair share anyhow?
I just seeded an article about how all 25 co-sponsors of IHFA - 1866 were re-elected to Congress. As the Vote Hemp motto declares:
"Support for Hemp Farming is Not a Political Liability"
Yeah, whatever Skeptic.
The important thing is: what does hemp seed TASTE like? It's not another one of those things that is good for us but tastes like cardboard, is it?
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what does hemp seed TASTE like?
LOL! I feel ya, and that's the beauty part, it is actually rather neutral, although slightly nutty, along the lines of a pine nut. It is extremely low in sugar so I choose to add it to other yummy things like smoothies, cookies, or as a salad topping.
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Poison?
Try again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0psJhQHk_GI&feature=related
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If someone wants to commit slow suicide with drugs. That's their privilege. At least Americans will benefit from the money these fools waste.
What's wrong with that idea?
Too many things to list but the very first on the list would be "I have kids." Numbers 2 through whatever would have to do with our overburdened emergency care system (overdoses).
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Which pundits are we talking about here? Soon the poor in this country will be taking the brunt of the blame for our economic woes. Food stamps, welfare, school lunch programs, and the like will begin to be blamed for draining the national treasury. The trend is already blossoming in comments like the one from this seed and others voiced by the Liptons during campaign season. I also observed that many " joe plumbers" feel this way as well about the poor, judging from the responses I read on a recent article, here on the Vine, asking why the poor were hated so much. It is my belief that we will soon see a bi-partisan move to consolidate this feeling among the two parties and then the real fun will begin. I really hope I am wrong.
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I don't think you have much to worry about. Keep in mind that the silent, yet overwhelming majority of Americans are centrists. They have good common sense and they are good people at heart.
They look at a "federal program" and see waste and abuse. But when it comes down to refusing to feed the 8 yr old that sits next to their daughter in 3rd grade...well, we as Americans are just better than that.
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Well Jack we will just have to see how much power the American people have left. I hope you are right.
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The school lunch program would be entirely unnecessary if we had full employment with good-paying jobs. This is impossible in a capitalist economy that actively pursues policies that suppress wages and maintains a low-cost underclass for menial labor.
Liberalism is a capitalist tool that is used to prevent the masses from revolting. It provides "maintenance" without actually providing opportunity.
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The school lunch program would be entirely unnecessary if we had full employment with good-paying jobs.
I wish it were that easy. It's not. There will always be families out there where the grocery budget is spent on whisky or gambled away at a craps game. There will always be families out there where there is nothing to eat because the parents eat fast food and can't be bothered to get to the store.
When I was a teacher I saw kids arrive at school with a large bag of Cheetohs and a Coke as their lunch, because mom stopped off that morning at 7-11 and that's what she chose to feed them.
The school lunch program will be necessary as long as there are negligent, or addicted, or ill, or unstable, or just lazy parents.
The program costs about $9billion a year, and feeds 31 million kids. It is without a doubt the best money we spend.
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The program costs about $9billion a year, and feeds 31 million kids. It is without a doubt the best money we spend.
With these numbers one must question the program's reach. With about 55 million total enrollment and current poverty level being 14.3%, one has to question the justification for the size of the program. Can you, please provide some insight?
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Jack, you cite examples of failure. I agree, there are always "outliers." However, our current economic system actually creates failure and perpetuates poverty. The instances you cite could be drastically reduced to near-zero, and those specific problem cases could be addressed with specific remedies.
The system we have now is brutal and immoral.
With these numbers one must question the program's reach. With about 55 million total enrollment and current poverty level being 14.3%, one has to question the justification for the size of the program. Can you, please provide some insight?
Not sure. Let's work through this together. Got my numbers from:
http://www.fns.usda.gov/cnd/lunch/aboutlunch/NSLPFactSheet.pdf
The system we have now is brutal and immoral.
I'm not going to dispute one way or another on "the system". Good, bad or indifferent, it is the system we currently have. Could it be changed to reduce the number of poor? Absolutely. Are we as a society willing to make the choices necessary to do that? I doubt it.
In the meantime, I for one, am not willing to let kids go hungry. (Not to imply that you would)
There are very few things in this country that could compel me to stand for public office. This is one.
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Remember, TheSkeptic, that capitalism REQUIRES that labor be treated as a commodity. Capitalist firms will always seek the lowest cost labor. And, since capitalists run the government, our laws actually encourage illegal foreign workers (cheaper labor), off shoring our jobs to foreign countries (cheaper labor), and destroying labor unions in the U.S. (cheaper labor).
And most American workers have been told by the Mainstream Corporate Media (MCM) that it is their patriotic duty to support capitalism, and Republican voters believe that to do otherwise is equivalent to treason.
So, welcome to the Company Store!!
I agree with your disdain of American liberalism, though. All liberalism accomplishes in a capitalist system is that it prevents outright starvation of the workforce. Liberalism is allowed (within restraints) by capitalist governments to prevent uprisings.
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It's interesting that you complain of low wages and job loss, yet oppose labor unions. This is typical of the current American narrative, however, and I understand why you believe this given the information that is distributed via the Mainstream Corporate Media.
You are fundamentally wrong if you thing wage suppression and worker exploitation is not a part of capitalism. It absolutely is; in fact, it is pretty much definitive capitalism. This whole issue is why Karl Marx theorized over a century ago that all capitalist economies ultimately collapse; he saw that eventually capitalist labor forces would become utterly impoverished (as commodity labor force wages down to the levels of wage slavery). Workers would not be able to purchase even the items they produced (much like it is now in America).
Marx's model suggested that mature and educated societies, post-capitalism, would evolve into socialist structures with worker-owned industries (like employee-owned companies of today). Economies of scale, organized by truly democratic governments, would replace private insurance, utilities, energy production, transportation, etc., which are markedly inefficient. In summary, actual socialism (not the liberalism that right wingers refer to as socialism) promotes highly motivated workers (they have a stake in their companies) and great efficiencies through centralized utilities and infrastructure maintenance.
Sorry, got carried away there . . .
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There's a BLOCK of @100 Million Americans who REALLY and TRULY Believe All this CRAP about the Poor having it Rough BECAUSE they Don't LIVE Correctly!
What These TYPE of Brainless Comments REVEAL is a REAL Sick UNDERCLASS of Mindless Aristocratism That Literally BELIEVES Themselves to be ENTITLED to The BIG Dough, and that the Struggling People in America are "Just Losers". It's Not THEIR Fault, that Their Heads are Filled with This NONSENSE. Their Parents have Been Listening Intently to Clowns Like Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage and Beck for WAY TOO LONG, and Sanity and Human Connections with Struggling People are Anathema to These People. For THEM, it REALLY is About 2 Things, and 2 Things Only!
Staying IN the Aristocratic CLASS that they are In. And Working Hard to Make Sure that The BALLGAME is Tilted in Favor OF that Aristocracy for the REST of Their Lives.
THIS...is What we are DEALING With, America!
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